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I have to go out here now.
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Thank you.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen.
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Do we have married people with families?
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Now, I've been married...
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I'm not even sure.
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I think, a long time.
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And I have a son...
who is about my age.
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What I've noticed about the family
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is pretty much trouble free.
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How many of you have had
the same experience?
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Families, I think it's safe to say,
pretty much trouble free.
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Am I right, ladies and gentlemen?
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Yes, pretty much trouble free.
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By the way, this is the Nate Holden Center
for the Performing Arts.
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Are you aware of that?
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A beautiful facility.
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A lot of times you go to theaters...
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If you go to New York City,
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the Helen Hayes Theatre.
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It's a beautiful theatre also.
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You know, Helen Hayes doesn't
get to go to the theater
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because she's dead.
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They do that.
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They name stuff; theaters, edifices,
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and this is a beauty by the way,
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and I'm told that it gets
great use in the community
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And it's the Nate HoldenTheater.
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What do you think?
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This is a silly game to play, but...
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Dead or alive, what do you think?
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He is alive, ladies gentlemen, he's here.
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Nate, come on out, by God.
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Take a bow. Where are you?
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Nice to see you, my friend.
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Just come on over.
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It's so nice to see you again.
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This is our second time here.
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I used to live in California.
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Knew nothing about the theater,
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knew nothing about Nate.
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You were a City Councilman
for a long time?
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That's correct. Sixteen years.
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Many great accomplishments.
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What was the thing?
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You said until the early '70's,
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a woman could not get a
mortgage from a bank
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unless she had the signature of a man.
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And you got that changed.
Do I have that correct?
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That's correct.
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We celebrated Dr Martin Luther King's
birthday the other day.
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I'm the author.
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The state of California
was the first state in the nation
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to honor Dr. Martin Luther King
and the civil rights movement,
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and I'm the author.
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Congratulations.
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Thank you, sir.
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Nice guy, who spent his life
in public service...
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doing tremendous things
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that we take for granted.
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So, I'm pleased and honored to be here
in this building.
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Anybody have any idea
who's with us tonight?
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Judd Apatow.
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Really?
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You'd actually get dressed up
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and come out to see Judd Apatow?
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This guest tonight is...
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and I know a lot of famous people,
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I mean...Pat Sajak...
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So you see...I know
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I get blue chippers...
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Just take a guess.
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It's not Judd Apatow.
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We couldn't get Judd. I'm sorry.
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I'm right here!
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Wait a minute. Is he right there?
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Holy shit!
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Judd, have you wandered away
from the house again?
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How did you know he was here?
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Was he handing out photos in line?
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Alright.
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That's all I got.
Goodnight everybody.
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So, we're going to bring this person
out here.
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I think you're just going to love this.
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So, do me a favor now.
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Please welcome my next guest, Jay-Z.
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Come on out.
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How are you?
It's a great pleasure to see you.
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Thank you.
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Can we sit?
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Yeah you can sit.
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Thank you so much for being here.
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I don't want to make you nervous.
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I don't want to make you uncomfortable,
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but Judd Apatow is in the audience.
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You look...fantastic,
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and thank you.
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It means a great deal to me
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that you're here.
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Thank you, that's beautiful, man.
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I'm torn. I don't know whether
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to start tonight by kissing up to you.
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-Or if I should...
-Go ahead...Just, first...
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How many, is it 21 Grammys you've won?
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-Yeah.
-My God.
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Twenty
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How many albums?
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Thirteen.
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I'm told your wife is also
in show business?
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She's starting.
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BEYONCE KNOWLES
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-She's just starting.
-She's starting.
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That's pretty good.
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I was talking to a journalist,
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a music critic,
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and he said,
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"Jay-Z in popular cultural music
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is Picasso...
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called you Picasso.
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And me...
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because I'm not dumb,
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I said, I made the connection.
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I said, "Who would be his Matisse?"
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You see what I'm saying?
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Yeah.
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So, what do you think
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There's so many great people.
It's hard to...
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We'll let's start with a list of
great people.
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Okay.
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Biggie Smalls, of course, Notorious BIG.
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Tupac, of course.
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Rakim.
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Big Daddy Kane, Slick Rick...
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There's so many great,
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so many great artists,
so many people I love.
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Are there guys,
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men or women, who are successful,
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but are not good
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at what they're doing?
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Yeah.
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All the time.
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Just like everything else.
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I'm dying to know somebody who...
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can't really rap.
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Come on, man.
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All right, how about this?
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Who's on TV late night...
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right now, that's not even
remotely funny?
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Okay, let's just say,
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The other thing I wanted to
start here with
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is Marcy Projects.
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How long were you and your family there?
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How many in your family?
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Welcome to
MARCY HOUSES
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I'm the youngest of four.
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So, your mom, your dad and...
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my mom and dad in the beginning then my dad was gone when I was about 11,
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so it's five of us in total.
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Yes, you mentioned that your dad left.
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What were the circumstances of that?
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I thought he just left.
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As a kid, I had a bunch of...
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anger towards him.
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But, as I grew up, I realize that...
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the things that he went through
in life was very difficult.
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His brother had gotten killed...
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in the projects, and someone would
call him and say,
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"I just saw the guy
who killed your brother,
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and he would get up from his bed,
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in his bed, with his children.
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And he'd take his gun and he'd
leave the house,
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and at some point, my mother
was like, "Man, you have...
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a family here."
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But she didn't have the language
that she needed
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to speak to him like,
"We love you,
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we don't want to lose you as well."
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She didn't have that language.
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So her fear came out almost like
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an ultimatum to him.
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And he's like, "My brother...
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my blood brother?"
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And that kind of like
splintered their relationship,
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and then from there it was just like
he was in deep pain.
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He started using heroin,
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you know, things like that.
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There are so many...
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I'll say, unbelievable,
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It's not the right word,
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facets to your life, to your early life
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and to where you are now,
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and you have kids of your own
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and you must think every day
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of the difference of both in in terms
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of distance and...emotionally
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that your kids have from what
your upbringing was.
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BLUE IVY CARTER
JAY-Z'S DAUGHTER
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It must be gratifying and also
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heartbreaking for God's sakes
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that you had that.
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I'm not heartbroken
at this point in my life.
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I feel grateful everyday.
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I wake up, I look around, look at my kids.
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They're healthy, they...
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Me and my daughter talk,
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I told her to get in the car
the other day,
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because she was asking
a thousand questions,
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and we had to leave for school.
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I got in the car,
and I'm faced this way.
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I'm just painting a picture of how
healthy my children are
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at this present time.
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So we're driving, and then
I just hear a little voice.
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"Dad?" I turn around, she said,
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"I didn't like when you told me
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to get in the car the way you told me..."
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She's six.
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"It hurt my feelings."
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I was like...
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"That's the most beautiful thing
you've ever said to me."
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I have those moments with my son also,
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but when I was that age,
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there was no discussion
to getting the car,
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-Just...
-Yeah.
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And that was just fine.
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What kind of music did your
mom and dad play in the house?
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Was it radio, was a records?
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Did they have a record collection?
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No, big record collection.
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Prince, Michael Jackson, Stevie Wonder...
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The Isley Brothers,
The Brothers Johnson...
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Bootsy Collins, Ohio Players.
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Yes.
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Dewey Brothers...
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All that.
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Was it something for you there?
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Did it speak to you, did it move you?
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I think that's the reason
I make music now..
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You can either grow up in a family
that plays instruments.
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Or you're just exposed to so much
Stevie Wonder...
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just exposed to so music at a young age,
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that it's just in you,
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just becomes who you are.
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-Yeah, yeah.
-Yeah.
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What I've tried to do here,
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for me, it's all selfish,
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is establish things
you and I have in common.
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Yeah.
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When I was a kid about your age...
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I had a paper route,
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-and I'd be delivering papers.
-I had a paper route too.
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Right away.
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It's like I have a twin.
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But I want to ask you about...
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the circumstances that led
to you selling crack.
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That was my paper route.
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That's what I was talking about.
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-I see...
-Yeah.
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Twin.
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Now, I can remember when...
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there was a big crack epidemic,
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and I'll be honest with you,
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I don't exactly know what crack is.
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When I lived in Los Angeles,
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there was stuff called free-basing.
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That's crack.
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-Yeah, pretty much.
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Where would you get it?
270
00:13:20,049 --> 00:13:21,592
How old were you when you did this?
271
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Like 16, I started,
272
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and it was everywhere in the neighborhood.
273
00:13:27,807 --> 00:13:30,309
For me, it was a guy...Spanish Jose
274
00:13:30,392 --> 00:13:31,602
He owned a bodega.
275
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His family owned a bodega
across the street,
276
00:13:33,604 --> 00:13:34,855
and he saw me and he was like,
277
00:13:34,939 --> 00:13:37,858
"You're a cool guy, you and your friend.
278
00:13:38,025 --> 00:13:40,110
I like how you carry yourself."
279
00:13:40,945 --> 00:13:43,239
And he recruited us. And from there,
280
00:13:43,322 --> 00:13:44,865
it started the enterprise.
281
00:13:44,949 --> 00:13:47,535
So, it was good for the family
to have money,
282
00:13:47,618 --> 00:13:49,328
but what you were doing was
283
00:13:49,411 --> 00:13:51,956
-some element of danger, obviously.
-Yeah.
284
00:13:52,039 --> 00:13:53,249
And you went to New Jersey,
285
00:13:53,332 --> 00:13:54,500
to Trenton to do this?
286
00:13:55,125 --> 00:13:56,460
How much would you come home with
287
00:13:56,544 --> 00:13:57,586
at the end of a day?
288
00:13:58,420 --> 00:13:59,755
It started out really small.
289
00:14:00,089 --> 00:14:02,466
A couple thousand dollars, and then...
290
00:14:03,050 --> 00:14:04,635
it got really big.
291
00:14:06,011 --> 00:14:08,889
At 16, you're bringing home $2,000 a day?
292
00:14:08,973 --> 00:14:09,807
Yeah.
293
00:14:12,017 --> 00:14:14,144
My God, that's...
294
00:14:15,229 --> 00:14:17,857
Dd your mother know where this
money was coming from?
295
00:14:17,940 --> 00:14:18,774
She knew.
296
00:14:18,858 --> 00:14:21,569
We didn't talk about it,
but she knew.
297
00:14:24,822 --> 00:14:27,867
What was the reason you decided
to give up selling
298
00:14:27,950 --> 00:14:31,495
and go back to writing rhymes?
299
00:14:32,663 --> 00:14:35,541
I would like to say the idea
of being in the street,
300
00:14:35,624 --> 00:14:36,750
because at some point,
301
00:14:36,834 --> 00:14:38,043
no one survives that.
302
00:14:38,127 --> 00:14:39,879
You're either going to jail
or you're going to get killed. That's that's just how it was.
303
00:14:42,047 --> 00:14:42,882
Period.
304
00:14:42,965 --> 00:14:46,135
But for me, I think the love of music
kept pulling me.
305
00:14:46,218 --> 00:14:47,428
Even when I was out there,
306
00:14:47,511 --> 00:14:49,305
and I was selling drugs and everything,
307
00:14:49,388 --> 00:14:50,931
I was still rapping on the corner.
308
00:14:51,015 --> 00:14:53,893
That would be out
in the middle of the time,
309
00:14:53,976 --> 00:14:55,060
when people were coming
310
00:14:55,144 --> 00:14:56,729
and we were conducting business,
311
00:14:57,646 --> 00:14:59,982
every free second I had,
I was either writing...
312
00:15:00,065 --> 00:15:02,818
you know that's how that's how I
developed a talent of
313
00:15:02,902 --> 00:15:04,904
doing music without writing it,
314
00:15:04,987 --> 00:15:06,488
because I would write all the time,
315
00:15:06,572 --> 00:15:08,699
write on paper bags and just
stuff it in my pocket.
316
00:15:09,325 --> 00:15:11,911
You know, just every free second I had,
317
00:15:11,994 --> 00:15:13,746
I was creating.
318
00:15:14,413 --> 00:15:16,498
This is the kind of thing
that fascinates me,
319
00:15:16,582 --> 00:15:18,042
because it happened to me.
320
00:15:18,250 --> 00:15:20,711
There was a moment when I went
to high school,
321
00:15:20,794 --> 00:15:22,922
and I did not get good grades,
322
00:15:23,005 --> 00:15:26,300
and it didn't look like I was
323
00:15:26,383 --> 00:15:28,218
going to be successful academically,
324
00:15:28,719 --> 00:15:30,387
but there was a moment for me
325
00:15:30,554 --> 00:15:32,723
when I took a public speaking course
326
00:15:33,015 --> 00:15:34,099
and that changed everything.
327
00:15:34,183 --> 00:15:35,476
I was a sophomore in high school.
328
00:15:36,060 --> 00:15:36,977
I know...
329
00:15:37,311 --> 00:15:38,854
your love of words...
330
00:15:39,897 --> 00:15:43,067
had to be fueled somehow early on.
331
00:15:43,150 --> 00:15:44,318
What was that moment?
332
00:15:44,526 --> 00:15:45,361
Yeah.
333
00:15:45,486 --> 00:15:47,196
I had a sixth grade teacher,
334
00:15:47,696 --> 00:15:48,989
her name was Miss Lowden.
335
00:15:49,073 --> 00:15:50,199
RENEE LOWDEN
JAY Z'S 6TH GRADE TEACHER
336
00:15:50,324 --> 00:15:51,867
I just loved the class so much,
337
00:15:51,951 --> 00:15:53,577
Reading the dictionary...
338
00:15:54,203 --> 00:15:56,664
and just my love of words...
339
00:15:56,830 --> 00:15:57,831
I just connected with her.
340
00:15:57,915 --> 00:15:59,792
She took us to her house on...
341
00:16:01,210 --> 00:16:02,086
a field trip,
342
00:16:02,711 --> 00:16:04,546
and she had ice...
343
00:16:05,047 --> 00:16:08,217
in the refrigerator, way back
when no one had it.
344
00:16:08,634 --> 00:16:09,468
And I thought,
345
00:16:09,551 --> 00:16:12,805
"Man, I might be an English teacher."
346
00:16:16,392 --> 00:16:17,935
We need to pay our teachers more.
347
00:16:19,687 --> 00:16:20,688
Yeah.
348
00:16:24,525 --> 00:16:27,695
But it's so interesting that that dynamic,
349
00:16:29,029 --> 00:16:31,365
and then here you are who you are,
350
00:16:31,824 --> 00:16:33,742
thanks to Mrs. Lowden...
351
00:16:33,826 --> 00:16:35,244
and her ice machine.
352
00:16:35,327 --> 00:16:36,161
Yeah.
353
00:16:36,412 --> 00:16:38,455
Tell me the story about you and a buddy
354
00:16:38,539 --> 00:16:42,084
who had been signed and went
on a trip to London,
355
00:16:42,710 --> 00:16:45,796
that actually, in some way, may have
saved your your life.
356
00:16:46,213 --> 00:16:47,673
And you were just a kid then.
357
00:16:47,756 --> 00:16:49,341
Yes, he came from Marcy Projects,
358
00:16:50,050 --> 00:16:51,051
We call him Jaz-O.
359
00:16:51,260 --> 00:16:52,469
Jaz-O
360
00:16:52,636 --> 00:16:55,514
He had a record deal early on
with EMI Records.
361
00:16:57,224 --> 00:16:59,727
They sent this guy
from Marcy Projects to London.
362
00:17:00,269 --> 00:17:03,981
The wanted the association
from the same producers
363
00:17:04,064 --> 00:17:06,150
who made...that's how the music business
worked at the time.
364
00:17:06,233 --> 00:17:07,067
it wasn't about the music,
365
00:17:07,151 --> 00:17:10,112
it was like, "These produces that made
parents don't understand,
366
00:17:10,195 --> 00:17:11,613
are going to produce your record.
367
00:17:11,697 --> 00:17:13,282
They don't know Jaz from anything.
368
00:17:13,365 --> 00:17:14,450
So, of course It didn't work.
369
00:17:14,575 --> 00:17:16,035
But for two months,
370
00:17:16,118 --> 00:17:18,370
we were in London,
recording with these guys,
371
00:17:18,454 --> 00:17:19,705
or fake recording.
372
00:17:20,164 --> 00:17:22,207
And during that time, It was like a secret indictment,
373
00:17:24,418 --> 00:17:27,504
and they swept up and grabbed
30 of my friends.
374
00:17:27,588 --> 00:17:30,924
Everyone got locked up and went to jail.
375
00:17:31,008 --> 00:17:33,761
One of my closest friends
went to jail for 11 years.
376
00:17:34,511 --> 00:17:35,846
A guy I was with every day.
377
00:17:38,015 --> 00:17:39,475
We wouldn't be talking to you now,
would we?
378
00:17:39,558 --> 00:17:41,518
No, no way.
379
00:17:42,102 --> 00:17:43,020
Yeah.
380
00:17:43,228 --> 00:17:44,104
Amazing.
381
00:17:44,188 --> 00:17:47,191
By the way, the East Coast-West Coast
thing...
382
00:17:47,816 --> 00:17:49,485
-that's over.
-Yeah. Done.
383
00:17:49,860 --> 00:17:52,780
The idea of rap and the battle,
384
00:17:52,863 --> 00:17:54,573
this rap beef that it is today, it really started as...
385
00:17:57,951 --> 00:17:58,827
like a...
386
00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:00,829
competitors, like basketball.
387
00:18:00,913 --> 00:18:02,039
We would play each other.
388
00:18:02,122 --> 00:18:04,833
In order for me to get on the mic
389
00:18:04,917 --> 00:18:06,543
and rap in front of the crowd,
390
00:18:06,668 --> 00:18:08,796
I had to be great.
391
00:18:08,962 --> 00:18:10,798
I had to be the best, so you would say,
392
00:18:10,881 --> 00:18:12,758
"Okay you say your best rhyme,
I'll say mine."
393
00:18:12,841 --> 00:18:14,384
It wasn't a hostile thing.
394
00:18:14,551 --> 00:18:15,469
It was just...
395
00:18:16,929 --> 00:18:18,013
Let's make each other better,
396
00:18:18,097 --> 00:18:19,598
you say something,
I'll say something.
397
00:18:19,681 --> 00:18:21,517
Next time I come,
I'll say something better,
398
00:18:21,725 --> 00:18:24,103
and we weren't even rapping for ourselves.
399
00:18:24,353 --> 00:18:26,230
In the beginning, you were rapping
for the DJ.
400
00:18:26,855 --> 00:18:30,859
The idea was you were supposed
to keep people interested in the DJ.
401
00:18:30,943 --> 00:18:32,986
It was like,
"My DJ's good, my DJ's great."
402
00:18:33,112 --> 00:18:35,030
That's why all the DJ's names came first.
403
00:18:35,114 --> 00:18:36,281
Eric B. andamp; Rakim,
404
00:18:36,365 --> 00:18:38,742
Jazzy Jeff and The Fresh Prince.
405
00:18:38,909 --> 00:18:40,369
The MC wasn't...
406
00:18:41,036 --> 00:18:42,037
at the forefront.
407
00:18:42,121 --> 00:18:45,874
He was just the Master of Ceremony
"MC".
408
00:18:46,041 --> 00:18:49,670
He was there to say,
"Check out how good the DJ is."
409
00:18:50,420 --> 00:18:54,299
And that battle spawned from that time.
410
00:18:54,383 --> 00:18:57,010
And then it got into a place
where it got really ugly.
411
00:18:57,344 --> 00:18:59,596
And now I think
everyone's learned the lesson
412
00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:01,306
of what that can really do
413
00:19:01,390 --> 00:19:02,975
and how far that can really go,
414
00:19:03,058 --> 00:19:05,978
and we lost two amazing people
behind that.
415
00:19:06,061 --> 00:19:09,314
I think everyone took a step back
and said,
416
00:19:09,439 --> 00:19:11,316
"This is not what it's about.
417
00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:12,985
This is not what hip hop is about."
418
00:19:13,694 --> 00:19:15,612
Let me talk about
419
00:19:15,696 --> 00:19:19,408
one of your peers, Kanye West.
420
00:19:21,034 --> 00:19:22,536
Are we friends?
421
00:19:25,122 --> 00:19:27,249
Or are we not friends?
422
00:19:27,541 --> 00:19:28,667
That's my brother.
423
00:19:28,876 --> 00:19:30,169
We're beyond friends.
424
00:19:30,294 --> 00:19:33,130
Like, literally, my little brother
is Kanye.
425
00:19:33,213 --> 00:19:35,674
And like your little brother,
things happen sometimes.
426
00:19:36,341 --> 00:19:37,593
Tell me what happened.
427
00:19:40,888 --> 00:19:43,765
It would be like... Do you have siblings?
428
00:19:44,850 --> 00:19:47,102
-Yes. Two.
429
00:19:48,270 --> 00:19:49,938
You guys ever have a falling out?
430
00:19:51,815 --> 00:19:53,275
I'll let you know when it's over.
431
00:19:55,068 --> 00:19:55,903
Exactly.
432
00:19:59,031 --> 00:20:00,073
And it's like that.
433
00:20:00,824 --> 00:20:02,910
But that's still your sibling forever.
434
00:20:02,993 --> 00:20:03,869
That's my brother.
435
00:20:03,952 --> 00:20:06,371
We don't come from the same mom and dad,
436
00:20:06,455 --> 00:20:08,373
but you know I've watched Kanye...
437
00:20:08,832 --> 00:20:10,584
from without an album.
438
00:20:11,710 --> 00:20:13,086
The thing I respect about him,
439
00:20:13,170 --> 00:20:15,297
is he is the same person.
440
00:20:15,714 --> 00:20:17,716
He interrupted our studio session
441
00:20:17,799 --> 00:20:19,718
and stood on the table
and started rapping,
442
00:20:20,260 --> 00:20:22,554
We were like, "Could you please get down?"
443
00:20:23,430 --> 00:20:26,683
He was like, "No, I am the savior
of Chicago."
444
00:20:26,767 --> 00:20:27,601
I was like...
445
00:20:30,854 --> 00:20:32,231
He didn't even have a record.
446
00:20:32,314 --> 00:20:34,858
Would he sit here and chat with me?
447
00:20:35,067 --> 00:20:36,235
One hundred percent.
448
00:20:36,401 --> 00:20:37,611
He's brilliant.
449
00:20:38,862 --> 00:20:40,864
I don't know if I can talk about this.
450
00:20:40,989 --> 00:20:41,907
I'm gonna talk about it,
451
00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:43,367
and you tell me if I can talk about it.
452
00:20:43,825 --> 00:20:45,535
That's how conversations work.
453
00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:46,954
Okay.
454
00:20:50,290 --> 00:20:52,251
What I'm getting to here,
455
00:20:52,334 --> 00:20:54,002
and forgive me for being
a dope about this,
456
00:20:54,670 --> 00:20:56,255
is the use of the n-word.
457
00:20:56,338 --> 00:20:58,674
And I even feel silly saying "n-word",
458
00:20:59,341 --> 00:21:00,384
because...
459
00:21:00,717 --> 00:21:02,219
Don't say the real word, Dave.
460
00:21:02,302 --> 00:21:03,512
No, no, no...
461
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,222
This shit is going so good.
462
00:21:07,099 --> 00:21:07,933
But...
463
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:09,768
I hear it...
464
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,397
-with great frequency.
-Yeah.
465
00:21:14,606 --> 00:21:17,067
When someone has used a word
466
00:21:17,150 --> 00:21:20,279
to down your entire culture...
467
00:21:20,779 --> 00:21:23,573
What hip-hop did was take that word
and...
468
00:21:25,784 --> 00:21:26,952
flip it.
469
00:21:27,369 --> 00:21:29,830
and use it as a word of empowerment.
470
00:21:29,955 --> 00:21:32,082
There's going to be people that disagree
471
00:21:32,165 --> 00:21:34,418
and agree with this, which is fine.
472
00:21:34,501 --> 00:21:35,502
It's cool...
473
00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:37,212
nice for people to have
474
00:21:37,296 --> 00:21:40,007
great discourse with one another
about this word.
475
00:21:40,090 --> 00:21:42,217
Some people are highly offended
476
00:21:42,301 --> 00:21:43,635
from another generation,
477
00:21:43,719 --> 00:21:48,056
because they believe that it's
the last word that people heard
478
00:21:48,140 --> 00:21:49,141
before they died.
479
00:21:49,224 --> 00:21:52,561
So, they have a really strong
emotional connection
480
00:21:52,644 --> 00:21:54,354
to people using the word.
481
00:21:54,813 --> 00:21:56,064
But it's not the word.
482
00:21:56,189 --> 00:21:58,400
It's actually the intent behind the word.
483
00:21:58,984 --> 00:22:00,819
People who are inherently racist,
484
00:22:01,445 --> 00:22:03,905
they'll just replace it
with a different word,
485
00:22:03,989 --> 00:22:07,659
or a different way to express racism.
486
00:22:07,743 --> 00:22:09,619
I'm not offended by it.
487
00:22:10,120 --> 00:22:11,496
You should be.
488
00:22:11,580 --> 00:22:13,290
But I know I can't use it.
489
00:22:13,874 --> 00:22:15,417
-No.
-Yeah.
490
00:22:16,585 --> 00:22:18,879
I see what you mean.
I should be. I am offended.
491
00:22:18,962 --> 00:22:20,130
Yeah.
492
00:22:22,716 --> 00:22:25,302
I'm not offended when I hear you say it.
493
00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:26,511
I understand.
494
00:22:26,595 --> 00:22:28,889
But, if my son came home,
495
00:22:29,139 --> 00:22:30,265
well, that's it.
496
00:22:30,349 --> 00:22:31,600
No dice there.
497
00:22:31,933 --> 00:22:32,934
You still beat your kids?
498
00:22:37,564 --> 00:22:39,858
How many times were you at Def Jam?
499
00:22:40,108 --> 00:22:42,778
Were you there
shortly after the beginning?
500
00:22:43,362 --> 00:22:44,821
Once you were the president...
501
00:22:46,823 --> 00:22:50,243
As an artist, I was there from '97
502
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,247
until 2003 or something like that,
503
00:22:54,331 --> 00:22:55,624
then I became the president.
504
00:22:55,707 --> 00:22:57,459
Then you started your own company.
505
00:22:58,543 --> 00:23:00,796
I came into the game
as executive producer
506
00:23:00,879 --> 00:23:03,215
and the owner of the label
of my first album.
507
00:23:04,758 --> 00:23:06,927
I wanted to do more inside the building
508
00:23:07,010 --> 00:23:08,428
and it was like, this...
509
00:23:08,845 --> 00:23:10,597
structure that was just so...
510
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:11,890
I think a lot of them forgot...
511
00:23:12,140 --> 00:23:14,059
why they were in the music business.
512
00:23:14,142 --> 00:23:15,769
The goal is to make forever music.
513
00:23:16,186 --> 00:23:19,147
For me, try to make music of the time,
514
00:23:19,231 --> 00:23:21,400
music of the moment.
515
00:23:21,483 --> 00:23:23,610
That works, people enjoy it,
516
00:23:23,693 --> 00:23:26,196
but the music I listen to today,
517
00:23:27,239 --> 00:23:28,865
still is Off the Wall,
518
00:23:29,449 --> 00:23:33,161
and Prince music,
Songs in the Key of Life,
519
00:23:33,286 --> 00:23:34,704
and Shuggie Otis...
520
00:23:34,788 --> 00:23:36,248
These songs were made...
521
00:23:37,332 --> 00:23:38,458
fifty years ago.
522
00:23:38,542 --> 00:23:41,086
This was popular when I was a kid...
523
00:23:41,169 --> 00:23:43,171
and now it's been 50 years.
524
00:23:43,338 --> 00:23:45,173
When you're creating, you try to make...
525
00:23:45,257 --> 00:23:47,342
The goal is to make something that
will last forever.
526
00:23:49,886 --> 00:23:53,306
Shangri La Studio
Malibu California
527
00:23:53,682 --> 00:23:55,851
SHANGRI LA RANCH
528
00:23:56,685 --> 00:23:58,979
Shangri La Studio is currently owned by
music producer
529
00:23:59,062 --> 00:24:00,605
and Def Jam co-founder Rick Rubin.
530
00:24:01,189 --> 00:24:02,899
Rubin has worked with Jay-Z, LL Cool J,
Beastie Boys, Johnny Cash, Tom Petty Adele, U2 and countless others.
531
00:24:04,860 --> 00:24:06,194
Here's the man right here.
532
00:24:07,112 --> 00:24:07,946
Hi.
533
00:24:08,029 --> 00:24:09,072
I'm Dave Letterman.
534
00:24:09,156 --> 00:24:10,740
-Pleasure.
-Pleasure to meet you.
535
00:24:10,866 --> 00:24:11,908
-Thank you very much.
536
00:24:11,992 --> 00:24:12,993
Rick Rubin
Music Producer
537
00:24:13,076 --> 00:24:15,162
Yeah. This is lovely,
538
00:24:15,287 --> 00:24:18,457
and thank you for your generosity
of spirit
539
00:24:18,540 --> 00:24:19,416
and your hospitality.
540
00:24:19,499 --> 00:24:21,084
Thank you so much for coming.
541
00:24:21,293 --> 00:24:24,045
This place. I mean, good heavens.
542
00:24:24,129 --> 00:24:26,089
What else do you want? Nothing.
This is it.
543
00:24:26,173 --> 00:24:27,132
-This is it.
-Yeah.
544
00:24:27,257 --> 00:24:30,552
It reminds me of like the way you
had your old show
545
00:24:30,635 --> 00:24:32,637
in the Ed Sullivan Theater.
546
00:24:32,846 --> 00:24:35,807
There are certain places
where you feel a certain energy,
547
00:24:36,141 --> 00:24:38,727
because a lot of good things happen
over a long period of time.
548
00:24:38,935 --> 00:24:40,270
This is one of those places.
549
00:24:40,353 --> 00:24:43,899
When did it become officially
a recording studio?
550
00:24:44,232 --> 00:24:47,110
I think it became a recording studio
in 1976.
551
00:24:47,861 --> 00:24:49,988
Robbie Robertson and The Band,
built a studio...
552
00:24:50,780 --> 00:24:52,324
And from from what I...
553
00:24:52,407 --> 00:24:53,783
Again, it's all lore.
554
00:24:53,867 --> 00:24:55,660
I don't know what really happened,
555
00:24:55,744 --> 00:24:59,331
but, supposedly, Dylan lived
in a teepee on the lawn back there.
556
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,291
That was his tour bus,
557
00:25:01,875 --> 00:25:03,293
got converted into a studio.
558
00:25:03,376 --> 00:25:04,753
Did you check out the bus yet?
559
00:25:04,836 --> 00:25:06,922
-Haven't been to the bus.
-Let's go to the bus.
560
00:25:14,596 --> 00:25:15,597
Awesome.
561
00:25:21,811 --> 00:25:23,188
My goodness.
562
00:25:23,313 --> 00:25:26,066
And now it's a bona fide
recording facility.
563
00:25:26,233 --> 00:25:28,777
We mixed half of Yeezus in this room.
564
00:25:28,860 --> 00:25:30,820
Kanye's album before the last one.
565
00:25:32,113 --> 00:25:34,699
When I was talking to Jay-Z,
566
00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:37,452
he said, he defines excellence
567
00:25:37,536 --> 00:25:40,830
as one, two, three decades
568
00:25:40,997 --> 00:25:43,959
of very, very high-quality output.
569
00:25:44,376 --> 00:25:47,128
And he certainly is
the personification of that.
570
00:25:47,212 --> 00:25:48,088
He is.
571
00:25:48,171 --> 00:25:50,632
And I've seen you working with him,
572
00:25:50,715 --> 00:25:52,300
and he just walks in,
573
00:25:52,384 --> 00:25:53,927
no notes no nothing,
574
00:25:54,010 --> 00:25:55,679
and starts doing this.
575
00:25:55,762 --> 00:25:56,596
"99 PROBLEMS" MAKING THE VIDEO, 2004
576
00:25:56,721 --> 00:25:59,516
When I first heard it,
I was ignorant about all of this,
577
00:25:59,766 --> 00:26:03,311
because I was busy with
my own nonsense on TV.
578
00:26:03,395 --> 00:26:05,438
But this but this stuff...
579
00:26:05,730 --> 00:26:07,732
it's very sophisticated.
580
00:26:07,816 --> 00:26:08,692
Absolutely.
581
00:26:08,858 --> 00:26:10,569
There's wisdom in his lyrics.
582
00:26:12,445 --> 00:26:14,948
I don't know how he knows
all that he knows,
583
00:26:15,282 --> 00:26:16,116
but he knows a lot.
584
00:26:16,533 --> 00:26:18,076
-Very smart man.
-Yeah.
585
00:26:18,535 --> 00:26:20,287
Tell me more about yourself.
586
00:26:20,912 --> 00:26:22,330
When you were a kid,
587
00:26:22,831 --> 00:26:23,748
what did you listen to?
588
00:26:24,374 --> 00:26:25,417
I listened to The Beatles--
589
00:26:25,500 --> 00:26:27,711
First thing I remember listening to
was The Beatles.
590
00:26:27,794 --> 00:26:29,379
-Beatles and The Monkees.
-Yeah.
591
00:26:29,462 --> 00:26:32,382
I think Let It Be was the first
album I got as a little kid.
592
00:26:32,924 --> 00:26:34,467
And then kind of went
backwards from there.
593
00:26:34,551 --> 00:26:36,177
Were the Beatles a big deal to you?
594
00:26:36,261 --> 00:26:37,304
Huge!
595
00:26:37,429 --> 00:26:38,305
I mean...
596
00:26:38,847 --> 00:26:40,849
Here's the great thing about the Beatles
for me, Rick.
597
00:26:40,932 --> 00:26:42,142
The country...
598
00:26:44,019 --> 00:26:46,313
was...dark.
599
00:26:46,646 --> 00:26:48,648
It was just dark, it had gone dark.
600
00:26:48,732 --> 00:26:51,776
The assassination turned the lights out
on the country.
601
00:26:51,860 --> 00:26:55,155
And then, like in February,
602
00:26:55,238 --> 00:26:57,198
we start hearing
"I Want to Hold Your Hand"
603
00:26:57,282 --> 00:26:58,783
is now being played on the radio.
604
00:26:59,367 --> 00:27:01,578
By the time I was a senior in high school,
605
00:27:02,537 --> 00:27:04,080
the exchange student,
606
00:27:05,332 --> 00:27:09,919
a lovely, young high school kid
from England,
607
00:27:10,629 --> 00:27:13,048
was in our high school, and we dated.
608
00:27:13,131 --> 00:27:17,052
So, I got to spend one year
with this beautiful girl
609
00:27:17,135 --> 00:27:18,178
with a British accent,
610
00:27:18,261 --> 00:27:19,471
and...
611
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,850
the background music for
our high school romance
612
00:27:23,933 --> 00:27:25,101
was the Beatles,
613
00:27:25,185 --> 00:27:26,728
-Unbelievable.
-It was cool.
614
00:27:26,811 --> 00:27:28,104
It was about the coolest thing
615
00:27:28,188 --> 00:27:30,231
that's ever happened to me, honestly.
616
00:27:30,815 --> 00:27:32,734
But I'll take it, for God's sake.
617
00:27:33,193 --> 00:27:34,444
And why not?
618
00:27:36,446 --> 00:27:38,365
The other thing
that I find interesting is,
619
00:27:39,032 --> 00:27:41,534
hip hop is all biographical.
620
00:27:41,618 --> 00:27:42,661
Am I right about that?
621
00:27:44,496 --> 00:27:45,330
No.
622
00:27:45,914 --> 00:27:47,374
It's meant...
623
00:27:48,041 --> 00:27:49,376
it pretends to be.
624
00:27:49,834 --> 00:27:52,379
A lot of guys are just telling stories.
625
00:27:52,962 --> 00:27:54,130
Very few people are telling
626
00:27:54,214 --> 00:27:55,632
their real true life story.
627
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,550
-Yeah.
628
00:27:57,634 --> 00:27:59,219
Even in the beginning,
629
00:27:59,302 --> 00:28:00,970
when kids were just starting out?
630
00:28:01,054 --> 00:28:02,180
Yes. They're lying.
631
00:28:05,100 --> 00:28:05,934
Sorry.
632
00:28:08,812 --> 00:28:09,813
That's delightful.
633
00:28:09,896 --> 00:28:11,523
Yeah. Nine out of ten.
634
00:28:14,859 --> 00:28:16,403
I find that very funny, actually.
635
00:28:18,029 --> 00:28:19,948
I remember reading something, where...
636
00:28:20,490 --> 00:28:22,867
you play with your lyrics,
637
00:28:23,284 --> 00:28:25,161
and it's very complex stuff.
638
00:28:25,662 --> 00:28:27,664
"Where I'm From" 2012
639
00:28:43,638 --> 00:28:45,473
I mean, to listen to it once...
640
00:28:46,641 --> 00:28:47,934
You know, get in line again.
641
00:28:48,017 --> 00:28:50,145
You're going to have to listen to it
over and over again,
642
00:28:50,228 --> 00:28:52,397
because there are references about the life, made up or true,
643
00:28:55,442 --> 00:28:57,694
and then there are references that apply
644
00:28:57,861 --> 00:28:59,487
and exist only in that culture,
645
00:28:59,612 --> 00:29:01,281
and then there are personal references.
646
00:29:01,364 --> 00:29:03,533
So, it's very complicated.
647
00:29:03,616 --> 00:29:05,493
-It's flying around.
-It is flying around.
648
00:29:06,578 --> 00:29:07,454
When you're doing that,
649
00:29:07,537 --> 00:29:09,122
how do you know when you're done?
650
00:29:11,332 --> 00:29:12,292
Great question.
651
00:29:13,418 --> 00:29:14,294
It's a feeling.
652
00:29:15,128 --> 00:29:17,380
It's really a feeling of...
653
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,759
trying to have some sort of structure,
654
00:29:20,842 --> 00:29:22,135
a beginning middle and end.
655
00:29:22,218 --> 00:29:23,428
You try to have some...
656
00:29:23,511 --> 00:29:25,221
Whatever you're creating, has got to have
657
00:29:25,305 --> 00:29:26,389
some type of structure.
658
00:29:26,473 --> 00:29:29,267
Whether you happen upon it by accident,
659
00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:31,978
or you have intention to do it.
660
00:29:32,645 --> 00:29:34,397
Again, it's just a feeling.
661
00:29:34,481 --> 00:29:36,357
You know when it's completed.
662
00:29:37,525 --> 00:29:39,527
and this is a stupid comparison,
663
00:29:39,778 --> 00:29:41,488
but look who you're talking to.
664
00:29:43,156 --> 00:29:44,783
When I used to write jokes...
665
00:29:45,867 --> 00:29:49,037
sometimes, they would just...
appear in my head,
666
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,248
and then sometimes you would actually
have to go and...
667
00:29:53,333 --> 00:29:55,043
work and work and work.
668
00:29:56,044 --> 00:29:58,254
But, at the end, the effect was
669
00:29:58,338 --> 00:30:00,715
either method would produce a laugh.
670
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,344
Is it similar with writing hip hop lyrics?
671
00:30:04,677 --> 00:30:05,512
Yeah.
672
00:30:06,304 --> 00:30:08,306
Sometimes it happens immediately.
673
00:30:08,932 --> 00:30:11,643
Songs happen in three minutes
sometimes, literally.
674
00:30:11,726 --> 00:30:12,811
And then songs...
675
00:30:13,311 --> 00:30:15,772
"Forever Young" took me
about a month to finish.
676
00:30:16,064 --> 00:30:18,483
It's like, "I can never finish this song."
677
00:30:18,566 --> 00:30:20,109
And it never turned out the way
I wanted it.
678
00:30:20,235 --> 00:30:22,862
And it went on to be
really successful song for me,
679
00:30:22,946 --> 00:30:25,698
but I can't even like...
680
00:30:26,324 --> 00:30:27,951
It still bothers me that I didn't
681
00:30:28,034 --> 00:30:29,702
finish it the way I wanted to.
682
00:30:30,453 --> 00:30:33,039
Here's something
that happened the other day.
683
00:30:33,248 --> 00:30:35,583
My son and I are driving in the car,
684
00:30:36,417 --> 00:30:38,711
and he starts this...
685
00:30:45,051 --> 00:30:48,096
And I'm so dumb, I'm thinking...
686
00:30:48,263 --> 00:30:49,764
-it's a problem with his stomach.
687
00:30:52,517 --> 00:30:55,562
And I said, "Harry, what the hell
are you doing?"
688
00:30:55,728 --> 00:30:58,481
He said, "Dad, you've interrupted
my flow."
689
00:31:01,442 --> 00:31:02,277
Yeah.
690
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:03,778
What is "the flow"?
691
00:31:04,612 --> 00:31:05,530
It's...
692
00:31:06,114 --> 00:31:07,657
You know the flow very well.
693
00:31:07,740 --> 00:31:10,451
You've told jokes and stood on stage
694
00:31:10,535 --> 00:31:11,786
so many times,
695
00:31:11,870 --> 00:31:13,955
and you just know
when you're in the rhythm,
696
00:31:14,038 --> 00:31:17,667
where one joke leads to another
and another.
697
00:31:17,834 --> 00:31:19,794
That's what defines a great comic,
698
00:31:19,878 --> 00:31:21,921
someone who can stitch together
699
00:31:22,005 --> 00:31:23,965
moments and then bring it back.
700
00:31:24,299 --> 00:31:26,050
It's just when you catch a pocket,
701
00:31:26,134 --> 00:31:27,760
and you just keep taking that thing,
702
00:31:27,844 --> 00:31:29,220
and it goes further and further.
703
00:31:30,138 --> 00:31:31,055
Yeah.
704
00:31:33,391 --> 00:31:34,767
I'd like to agree with you.
705
00:31:35,184 --> 00:31:37,395
That has not been my experience.
706
00:31:38,313 --> 00:31:40,356
The idea that...
707
00:31:41,024 --> 00:31:43,568
I watched some early video of you,
708
00:31:43,651 --> 00:31:45,486
and it's hard work.
709
00:31:45,570 --> 00:31:46,571
"AIN'T NO"
1996
710
00:31:56,497 --> 00:31:58,625
Yeah, it's a lot of things
working at the same time.
711
00:31:58,708 --> 00:32:00,710
You can have a great voice,
712
00:32:01,419 --> 00:32:03,254
and you can just almost say anything.
713
00:32:03,338 --> 00:32:05,214
I think Snoop Dogg has a great voice.
714
00:32:05,298 --> 00:32:07,926
He can say, "One, two, three
and to the four..."
715
00:32:08,009 --> 00:32:09,052
And it's like, "My God."
716
00:32:10,595 --> 00:32:12,555
It just sounds good. Right?
717
00:32:12,972 --> 00:32:14,724
It just sounds really good.
718
00:32:14,807 --> 00:32:17,644
Or you can be someone like Eminem,
719
00:32:17,727 --> 00:32:20,396
and just have amazing cadence.
720
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,358
And it's almost like this syncopation.
721
00:32:23,441 --> 00:32:24,317
It's like...
722
00:32:28,404 --> 00:32:30,365
You almost become... it's percussion...
723
00:32:31,199 --> 00:32:32,575
inside the music.
724
00:32:32,659 --> 00:32:35,954
So there's multiple ways
to be really good.
725
00:32:36,037 --> 00:32:37,747
Some people just have it all.
726
00:32:42,251 --> 00:32:44,045
What can we do today?
727
00:32:44,128 --> 00:32:45,630
What can you help us with today?
728
00:32:45,713 --> 00:32:46,881
Let's go inside.
729
00:32:46,965 --> 00:32:49,050
There's a new artist, named Madison Ward
730
00:32:49,133 --> 00:32:50,176
who has a beautiful voice.
731
00:32:53,179 --> 00:32:54,639
MADISON WARD
SINGER/SONGWRITER
732
00:32:54,722 --> 00:32:55,765
That's nice. Yeah.
733
00:32:55,890 --> 00:32:57,475
You want it a little faster than that?
734
00:32:57,558 --> 00:32:58,476
No, that's great.
735
00:32:58,559 --> 00:32:59,519
MICAH NELSON
LUKAS NELSON AND PROMISE OF THE REAL
736
00:32:59,936 --> 00:33:01,854
Would you guys mind if we did one more?
737
00:33:01,938 --> 00:33:03,898
We missed one of the notes there.
738
00:33:04,065 --> 00:33:04,899
LUKAS NELSON
LUKAS NELSON AND PROMISE OF THE REAL
739
00:33:04,983 --> 00:33:06,484
Let's roll back on the tape.
740
00:33:07,276 --> 00:33:09,237
-Hi Madison, I'm Dave Letterman.
-Nice to meet you.
741
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:10,613
Nice to meet you.
742
00:33:10,697 --> 00:33:12,448
Thank you very much
for letting us do this.
743
00:33:13,741 --> 00:33:15,410
Why is it you and Rick are here?
744
00:33:15,994 --> 00:33:17,620
Rick's having me work through
745
00:33:17,704 --> 00:33:19,956
this song that I recorded a while back.
746
00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:21,582
-I did.
747
00:33:22,208 --> 00:33:24,210
We just got started not that long ago,
748
00:33:24,377 --> 00:33:25,712
and we're working through,
749
00:33:26,004 --> 00:33:27,088
all these things that I've written.
750
00:33:27,171 --> 00:33:28,006
We're coming together,
751
00:33:28,089 --> 00:33:29,674
and I've got this amazing band here
752
00:33:29,757 --> 00:33:30,591
to help me,
753
00:33:30,675 --> 00:33:32,677
and we're just
seeing what we can do.
754
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,303
What is your objective in music?
755
00:33:35,138 --> 00:33:36,264
Just to be honest.
756
00:33:37,223 --> 00:33:40,018
And move people in a way,
that they've never been moved before.
757
00:33:40,184 --> 00:33:41,561
That's really it.
758
00:33:42,937 --> 00:33:44,480
As long as it moves you...
759
00:33:44,564 --> 00:33:46,691
isn't that pretty much
the end of the project?
760
00:33:46,774 --> 00:33:49,277
With this song in particular, yes.
761
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:50,570
This moves me pretty much.
762
00:33:50,653 --> 00:33:52,238
I hope everybody else
will feel the same.
763
00:33:52,321 --> 00:33:53,322
I would like...
764
00:33:53,698 --> 00:33:55,450
I like a lot of echo.
765
00:33:58,786 --> 00:34:00,788
-Is it "compression" or...whatever.
-Both.
766
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:02,123
-Yeah.
-Give you both.
767
00:34:02,290 --> 00:34:04,125
We'll just try a few like that...
768
00:34:05,293 --> 00:34:06,836
and decide. Okay?
769
00:34:06,919 --> 00:34:08,004
Yeah. Perfect.
770
00:34:09,797 --> 00:34:10,840
I'm an idiot.
771
00:34:12,925 --> 00:34:14,093
And then...
772
00:34:14,177 --> 00:34:15,470
The Nelson boys,
773
00:34:15,553 --> 00:34:17,346
are are they over in there?
774
00:34:17,764 --> 00:34:18,848
Don't talk to them.
775
00:34:20,892 --> 00:34:21,934
Everybody good in there? Let's do it.
776
00:34:25,772 --> 00:34:29,275
One...two...three.
777
00:36:05,746 --> 00:36:06,664
It's good. Felt good.
778
00:36:08,541 --> 00:36:10,168
I didn't... Can I talk?
779
00:36:10,251 --> 00:36:12,837
I didn't know we were just going
to sit there and sing it.
780
00:36:13,045 --> 00:36:15,006
I thought you had to go to a thing
781
00:36:15,715 --> 00:36:17,884
to sing it somewhere else.
I'm sorry.
782
00:36:17,967 --> 00:36:19,343
-That was crazy.
-It's all good.
783
00:36:20,845 --> 00:36:22,763
Like, "Oh my God.
She's singing it right here.
784
00:36:22,847 --> 00:36:24,807
I'm going to screw it up somehow."
785
00:36:24,891 --> 00:36:25,766
That was beautiful.
786
00:36:26,517 --> 00:36:28,311
-Just beautiful.
-Thank you.
787
00:36:28,728 --> 00:36:30,771
So, did we we like that?
788
00:36:32,023 --> 00:36:33,065
Yeah, okay, alright?
789
00:36:33,149 --> 00:36:34,025
Well, yeah.
790
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:35,443
Should I walk you out
791
00:36:36,944 --> 00:36:38,029
I don't know what to do.
792
00:36:38,237 --> 00:36:39,280
That was...
793
00:36:40,489 --> 00:36:41,324
scary.
794
00:36:42,783 --> 00:36:43,993
You guys allright in there?
795
00:36:44,911 --> 00:36:45,745
Okay.
796
00:36:50,791 --> 00:36:52,710
Yeah, you heard we're not paying you.
797
00:36:54,462 --> 00:36:56,088
You're beautiful. That was lovely.
798
00:36:57,715 --> 00:37:00,051
I believe the reason why it's called...
799
00:37:00,134 --> 00:37:02,136
the universal language, music,
800
00:37:03,512 --> 00:37:05,765
is like, the more I know about you,
the more I can,
801
00:37:06,265 --> 00:37:07,266
relate to you.
802
00:37:07,350 --> 00:37:09,769
The more I can have compassion
about what you're going through.
803
00:37:09,977 --> 00:37:11,145
If you know about my family
804
00:37:11,229 --> 00:37:12,396
and all the things that happened
805
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,023
and things that happened
with my dad and my mom,
806
00:37:14,106 --> 00:37:17,568
grew up, single mother,
four kids at 20.
807
00:37:18,444 --> 00:37:21,155
I'm sure Harry is driving you nuts.
808
00:37:22,031 --> 00:37:25,326
You've got a whole full staff
in the house, and a wife.
809
00:37:28,037 --> 00:37:29,622
You're not supposed to talk
about the staff, Dave?
810
00:37:33,501 --> 00:37:34,919
The point is...my mother...
811
00:37:35,044 --> 00:37:36,379
four kids, 20...
812
00:37:37,421 --> 00:37:39,090
That's her experience.
813
00:37:39,173 --> 00:37:41,717
And there are people out there
that say,
814
00:37:41,801 --> 00:37:43,594
"My mom had a baby when she was 15."
815
00:37:43,678 --> 00:37:46,222
Now, people can relate to my story.
816
00:37:47,014 --> 00:37:48,349
So, back to the original point.
817
00:37:48,432 --> 00:37:51,310
So that conversation that's
being had is drawing energy
818
00:37:52,019 --> 00:37:53,562
in one place
819
00:37:53,646 --> 00:37:55,022
of like-minded people,
820
00:37:55,106 --> 00:37:56,816
who've gone through the same experience,
821
00:37:56,899 --> 00:37:58,526
or if you haven't gone through it,
you're like,
822
00:37:58,609 --> 00:38:01,070
"I thought that this guy was some
823
00:38:01,404 --> 00:38:02,780
asshole with a big staff.
824
00:38:02,863 --> 00:38:05,157
But he actually is a regular, nice person
825
00:38:05,241 --> 00:38:07,326
who went through this, this, this
and that.
826
00:38:07,410 --> 00:38:08,536
Like my dad, even my dad...
827
00:38:08,661 --> 00:38:10,621
Now that I look back on it,
828
00:38:10,705 --> 00:38:11,664
I relate.
829
00:38:13,291 --> 00:38:15,209
I have compassion
for what he went through,
830
00:38:15,334 --> 00:38:16,460
which was anger...
831
00:38:17,420 --> 00:38:18,504
my whole life...
832
00:38:18,921 --> 00:38:22,174
Like, 30 to 36 when we got a chance to...
833
00:38:22,258 --> 00:38:23,968
How old were you when he left?
834
00:38:24,093 --> 00:38:26,053
We'll just call it ten. Ten, 11...
835
00:38:26,178 --> 00:38:27,013
Ten, 11.
836
00:38:27,471 --> 00:38:29,473
I look at my son, and I think about...
837
00:38:29,598 --> 00:38:32,226
families that come apart,
838
00:38:32,476 --> 00:38:33,811
And it's a fact of life.
839
00:38:33,894 --> 00:38:34,770
Yeah.
840
00:38:34,937 --> 00:38:35,980
And it just...
841
00:38:37,148 --> 00:38:37,982
I don't know
842
00:38:38,107 --> 00:38:41,485
Ten or 11. Think about when your son
is ten or eleven,
843
00:38:41,610 --> 00:38:43,362
if you weren't around.
844
00:38:43,446 --> 00:38:45,114
It would kill you.
845
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:46,490
That's right. Yeah.
846
00:38:48,659 --> 00:38:52,913
Your mother on the album 4:44...
847
00:38:53,497 --> 00:38:55,333
-Smile.
-Smile. Yeah.
848
00:38:56,292 --> 00:38:58,169
-That's beautiful.
-Thank you.
849
00:38:58,294 --> 00:38:59,462
-Just beautiful.
-Thank you.
850
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:02,882
She wrote the coda to that piece.
851
00:39:02,965 --> 00:39:03,841
-Yeah.
-Yeah.
852
00:39:03,924 --> 00:39:05,301
GLORIA CARTER
JAY-Z'S MOM
853
00:39:06,010 --> 00:39:09,388
My goodness, your mother is a lesbian.
854
00:39:09,472 --> 00:39:10,973
I guess you knew
855
00:39:11,057 --> 00:39:13,684
that she was gay early on.
856
00:39:14,643 --> 00:39:18,314
The only thing about that experience
for me, is her.
857
00:39:19,315 --> 00:39:20,483
Imagine being...
858
00:39:20,816 --> 00:39:23,069
imagine having to live your life
as someone else.
859
00:39:23,444 --> 00:39:25,446
And you think you're protecting your kids.
860
00:39:25,529 --> 00:39:26,364
This was a time...
861
00:39:26,489 --> 00:39:27,448
It's not like now.
862
00:39:27,531 --> 00:39:30,826
Now everyone's more accepting
to everyone's lifestyle.
863
00:39:30,910 --> 00:39:32,828
And there's still people out there.
864
00:39:34,121 --> 00:39:36,123
who are living in a different time.
865
00:39:36,207 --> 00:39:37,249
But we look at those people as,
866
00:39:37,333 --> 00:39:38,793
"You're living in a different time."
867
00:39:39,251 --> 00:39:40,836
And for my mother...
868
00:39:41,545 --> 00:39:43,798
to have to live as someone that she wasn't
869
00:39:43,881 --> 00:39:45,841
and hide and protect her kids,
870
00:39:45,925 --> 00:39:47,676
and didn't want to embarrass her kids,
871
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,303
for all this time.
872
00:39:49,387 --> 00:39:50,971
And for her to sit
in front of me and tell me,
873
00:39:51,055 --> 00:39:52,264
"I think I love someone."
874
00:39:52,431 --> 00:39:53,724
I mean, I really cried out.
875
00:39:53,808 --> 00:39:54,809
That's a real story.
876
00:39:54,934 --> 00:39:57,728
I cried, because I was so happy for her
877
00:39:57,812 --> 00:39:58,813
that she was free.
878
00:39:59,522 --> 00:40:00,898
You know? It was like...
879
00:40:01,107 --> 00:40:02,566
How old were you when that happened?
880
00:40:02,733 --> 00:40:04,318
This happened eight months ago,
881
00:40:04,944 --> 00:40:06,237
when the album was being made.
882
00:40:06,362 --> 00:40:07,488
She just told me.
883
00:40:07,571 --> 00:40:09,698
I made the song the next day.
884
00:40:10,241 --> 00:40:13,702
I'm sorry. This is when you learned
your mother was gay?
885
00:40:13,786 --> 00:40:16,914
No, I knew, but this is first time
we had the conversation,
886
00:40:17,039 --> 00:40:20,459
and the first time I heard her say
she loved her partner.
887
00:40:20,876 --> 00:40:22,628
Like, I feel like I love somebody."
888
00:40:22,711 --> 00:40:24,255
She said, "I feel like..."
889
00:40:24,338 --> 00:40:26,799
She held that little bit back, still.
890
00:40:27,258 --> 00:40:29,135
She didn't say, "I'm in love."
891
00:40:29,260 --> 00:40:32,179
She said, "I feel like I love someone."
892
00:40:32,263 --> 00:40:35,641
And I just... I cried. I don't even
believe in crying because you're happy.
893
00:40:35,724 --> 00:40:36,809
I don't even know what that is.
894
00:40:37,101 --> 00:40:38,018
What is that?
895
00:40:38,185 --> 00:40:40,062
Were you scared before you
had your kids?
896
00:40:40,146 --> 00:40:43,441
Yeah. I was... terrified.
897
00:40:44,942 --> 00:40:47,570
I was worried about being a good father.
898
00:40:47,653 --> 00:40:48,487
Yeah.
899
00:40:49,655 --> 00:40:51,782
We'd never seen that ever...
900
00:40:51,866 --> 00:40:56,454
There weren't very many examples
for us growing up, of that.
901
00:40:56,579 --> 00:40:59,373
We had a high IQ for other things.
902
00:40:59,790 --> 00:41:02,793
I could tell you, somebody walked
in the room was
903
00:41:03,169 --> 00:41:05,171
plotting or something
from a mile away.
904
00:41:05,254 --> 00:41:06,881
I could see that person in the corner,
905
00:41:06,964 --> 00:41:09,258
and be like, "Okay. They got a gun
in their pocket."
906
00:41:09,341 --> 00:41:11,093
Okay, we should probably leave
907
00:41:11,177 --> 00:41:12,303
because this is happening."
908
00:41:12,928 --> 00:41:16,015
But... emotional IQ was like...
909
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:17,558
minus...
910
00:41:19,477 --> 00:41:20,352
a hundred.
911
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,482
So, the second your daughter is born,
912
00:41:25,232 --> 00:41:26,442
boom that all goes away.
913
00:41:26,525 --> 00:41:28,194
-And it just clicks in.
-Yeah.
914
00:41:28,277 --> 00:41:29,987
-It's strange.
915
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,116
And then I always follow
this sentiment up with...
916
00:41:35,826 --> 00:41:38,120
"Why isn't that emotion transcendent
in the world?"
917
00:41:38,204 --> 00:41:39,038
You know?
918
00:41:39,121 --> 00:41:40,915
-Because everybody has kids.
-That's right.
919
00:41:40,998 --> 00:41:44,001
So, why doesn't that work beyond?
920
00:41:44,793 --> 00:41:45,878
-Fear.
-Yeah.
921
00:41:46,128 --> 00:41:48,506
Most times you find that people have
been hurt.
922
00:41:49,006 --> 00:41:50,090
and they build this...
923
00:41:50,341 --> 00:41:52,176
Again, it's like breaking down
924
00:41:52,259 --> 00:41:54,011
to the very basic of who we are,
925
00:41:54,094 --> 00:41:54,929
you and I.
926
00:41:55,012 --> 00:41:56,597
We both have the same fears,
927
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,682
we both have the same...
We're twins, right?
928
00:41:58,849 --> 00:42:00,893
We both have the same angst
929
00:42:01,018 --> 00:42:02,353
about our children growing up.
930
00:42:02,436 --> 00:42:03,729
We both have the same...
931
00:42:04,647 --> 00:42:05,564
you know...
932
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:07,399
whatever...
933
00:42:07,608 --> 00:42:10,110
We're both excited Judd is here.
934
00:42:11,529 --> 00:42:13,822
You know, those basic emotions...
935
00:42:13,906 --> 00:42:15,282
things that are invisible,
936
00:42:15,366 --> 00:42:17,868
that are really important,
that we really...
937
00:42:17,952 --> 00:42:18,869
You know, love...
938
00:42:19,411 --> 00:42:22,456
and loyalty and integrity
939
00:42:22,581 --> 00:42:23,749
and all these things.
940
00:42:24,250 --> 00:42:25,918
Those are the things
that we have in common.
941
00:42:26,001 --> 00:42:27,419
And then, fear...
942
00:42:28,420 --> 00:42:30,339
Okay, you're white,
I'm a black guy.
943
00:42:30,673 --> 00:42:32,341
You have a beard.
I have a beard on my head.
944
00:42:34,426 --> 00:42:37,137
All these things that are different,
945
00:42:37,221 --> 00:42:38,806
that separate us, are fear based.
946
00:42:38,973 --> 00:42:40,432
There was...
947
00:42:40,516 --> 00:42:42,810
I guess it was in the Op-Ed section
of the New York Times.
948
00:42:43,435 --> 00:42:45,896
A piece that you wrote
not so long ago.
949
00:42:45,980 --> 00:42:46,814
JAY-Z: THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM STALKS
BLACK PEOPLE LIKE MEEK MILL
950
00:42:46,897 --> 00:42:49,149
about a friend who was violating...
951
00:42:49,858 --> 00:42:51,735
theoretically violating his parole
952
00:42:52,236 --> 00:42:55,030
because he was doing wheelies
on a dirt bike.
953
00:42:55,114 --> 00:42:55,948
Yeah.
954
00:42:56,031 --> 00:42:57,324
I know it sounds ridiculous...
955
00:42:57,658 --> 00:42:59,493
-The kid's name is...Meek Mill.
-Meek Mill.
956
00:42:59,618 --> 00:43:00,452
MEEK MILL
957
00:43:00,536 --> 00:43:02,371
How did you get into his life?
958
00:43:02,454 --> 00:43:03,622
How did you know about this?
959
00:43:03,706 --> 00:43:07,459
What are you doing for people
who may fall prey to this?
960
00:43:07,793 --> 00:43:10,045
We manage him currently,
like right now.
961
00:43:10,629 --> 00:43:12,798
This judge felt the need
962
00:43:12,881 --> 00:43:15,801
to violate him for two to four years...
963
00:43:17,219 --> 00:43:18,345
for two things.
964
00:43:18,679 --> 00:43:20,014
One, he was shooting the video,
965
00:43:20,097 --> 00:43:22,391
and he was riding a motorcycle
and doing wheelies.
966
00:43:25,185 --> 00:43:29,064
And two, there was a guy
who asked him for an autograph,
967
00:43:29,607 --> 00:43:30,441
and...
968
00:43:31,150 --> 00:43:32,985
he was like, "Man, I'm leaving,
I got a flight."
969
00:43:33,611 --> 00:43:36,697
And the guy got mad and started
hitting his friend,
970
00:43:36,780 --> 00:43:38,073
so he pulled the guy off his friend.
971
00:43:38,824 --> 00:43:40,409
And the case got dismissed on that,
972
00:43:40,492 --> 00:43:42,494
because they had the camera
and they saw that,
973
00:43:42,578 --> 00:43:43,829
"He didn't start any trouble.
974
00:43:43,912 --> 00:43:46,040
He was actually trying to leave,
the guy hitting his friend..."
975
00:43:46,123 --> 00:43:48,709
His friend is a little guy,
who actually
976
00:43:49,460 --> 00:43:50,544
had a head injury.
977
00:43:50,919 --> 00:43:52,338
So the guys hitting his friend,
978
00:43:52,421 --> 00:43:54,131
and he pulls the guy off his friend.
979
00:43:54,340 --> 00:43:55,633
He's in jail currently.
980
00:43:56,717 --> 00:43:59,011
There's a documentary about a kid named
Kalief Browder.
981
00:43:59,678 --> 00:44:01,138
-Yeah.
-Tell me about that.
982
00:44:01,513 --> 00:44:03,807
That was the most heartbreaking project
983
00:44:03,891 --> 00:44:05,184
I've ever worked on.
984
00:44:06,018 --> 00:44:09,063
A young kid, he was16 at the time.
985
00:44:09,146 --> 00:44:09,980
KALIEF BROWDER
986
00:44:10,064 --> 00:44:11,231
They pulled him up randomly,
987
00:44:11,315 --> 00:44:13,692
accused him of stealing a backpack.
988
00:44:14,443 --> 00:44:18,030
They locked him in one of the most
notorious jails,
989
00:44:18,113 --> 00:44:19,323
which is Rikers Island,
990
00:44:19,823 --> 00:44:21,241
and they held them there
991
00:44:21,742 --> 00:44:24,078
for three years without a trial.
992
00:44:24,161 --> 00:44:25,954
So, this kid never...
993
00:44:26,121 --> 00:44:28,415
had the benefit of due process?
994
00:44:28,499 --> 00:44:29,667
He didn't...
995
00:44:30,334 --> 00:44:32,378
he wasn't convicted of anything.
996
00:44:33,212 --> 00:44:35,631
Three years, he was
in solitary confinement
997
00:44:35,714 --> 00:44:37,174
180 days.
998
00:44:38,133 --> 00:44:42,096
And they call solitary confinement
"The Bing," because after 40 days,
999
00:44:42,179 --> 00:44:44,056
they say your mind just bings.
1000
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:45,557
It flips over.
1001
00:44:46,141 --> 00:44:49,061
And at the end of all this, he gets out.
1002
00:44:49,228 --> 00:44:51,146
He goes, he's taking his GED.
1003
00:44:51,271 --> 00:44:52,439
I met with him.
1004
00:44:52,523 --> 00:44:53,816
I called him, and said,
1005
00:44:53,899 --> 00:44:55,693
"I just want to give you some comfort."
1006
00:44:55,776 --> 00:44:57,069
and like anything you need.
1007
00:44:57,152 --> 00:44:58,779
If you need any help on anything..."
1008
00:44:58,862 --> 00:45:00,030
And he left the office.
1009
00:45:01,073 --> 00:45:03,158
I thought this was a good story,
1010
00:45:03,242 --> 00:45:04,243
the way it ends,
1011
00:45:04,326 --> 00:45:06,161
I was like, "Man that kid's been through
so much,
1012
00:45:06,245 --> 00:45:08,414
and he's...going to make it."
1013
00:45:09,248 --> 00:45:11,166
I get a call maybe two weeks later.
1014
00:45:11,250 --> 00:45:12,376
He killed himself.
1015
00:45:13,544 --> 00:45:15,129
He killed himself, he couldn't take it.
1016
00:45:15,212 --> 00:45:16,839
It's like, his mind...
1017
00:45:17,923 --> 00:45:19,758
just a really heartbreaking story.
1018
00:45:19,842 --> 00:45:22,010
We went to Sundance
1019
00:45:22,094 --> 00:45:23,345
and we premiered this film,
1020
00:45:23,429 --> 00:45:25,514
and it was an audience
pretty much like this.
1021
00:45:25,597 --> 00:45:26,932
There was a girl in front,
1022
00:45:27,015 --> 00:45:29,852
and she just was crying, and like shaking.
1023
00:45:29,935 --> 00:45:32,062
And I was like, "Man, I know."
1024
00:45:32,354 --> 00:45:34,314
And I went over to her and I hugged her.
1025
00:45:34,398 --> 00:45:36,859
And she said, "The same thing
happened to my brother."
1026
00:45:36,942 --> 00:45:40,696
So, he's not even this outlier
1027
00:45:40,779 --> 00:45:43,282
that everyone would like you to believe.
1028
00:45:43,365 --> 00:45:44,658
It happens more than...
1029
00:45:44,742 --> 00:45:46,660
I mean...one in three.
1030
00:45:47,911 --> 00:45:49,037
That was the number.
1031
00:45:49,121 --> 00:45:53,250
One in three, Black or Latino males
are in jail.
1032
00:45:53,667 --> 00:45:54,793
One out of three.
1033
00:45:55,419 --> 00:45:56,295
That's like.
1034
00:45:57,421 --> 00:45:58,714
One, two. That's you.
1035
00:45:59,673 --> 00:46:00,549
You know what I'm saying?
1036
00:46:02,843 --> 00:46:04,636
Could have been you also years ago.
1037
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:06,847
Matter of fact. One, two, definitely me.
1038
00:46:07,931 --> 00:46:08,766
My bad.
1039
00:46:09,808 --> 00:46:11,351
I don't have the statistics,
1040
00:46:11,435 --> 00:46:13,479
but my guess is, this happens
1041
00:46:13,562 --> 00:46:16,607
more in communities where there are...
1042
00:46:16,815 --> 00:46:18,567
-black people...
-And Latino.
1043
00:46:18,692 --> 00:46:19,651
And Latino.
1044
00:46:19,818 --> 00:46:22,321
Not so much in communities
where there are white people.
1045
00:46:22,738 --> 00:46:25,407
No, the numbers are disproportionate.
It's unbelievable.
1046
00:46:26,325 --> 00:46:28,577
Currently, someone today...
1047
00:46:29,912 --> 00:46:31,079
is going through this.
1048
00:46:31,246 --> 00:46:34,917
And your scholarship fund is to...
1049
00:46:35,751 --> 00:46:38,170
like a concierge that will help the kids
1050
00:46:38,253 --> 00:46:39,463
get through high school,
1051
00:46:39,546 --> 00:46:40,589
get into college.
1052
00:46:40,839 --> 00:46:44,468
The idea is if someone has the grades...
1053
00:46:44,551 --> 00:46:46,720
Because life gets in the way
a lot of times.
1054
00:46:46,804 --> 00:46:49,139
If you're motivated and you
want to go to college,
1055
00:46:49,223 --> 00:46:51,600
and your parents just don't
have the means or something,
1056
00:46:51,975 --> 00:46:53,811
we have a scholarship to help them out.
1057
00:46:53,894 --> 00:46:55,729
My mom's been running it for 10 years.
1058
00:46:55,813 --> 00:46:57,272
She goes on the bus tours,
1059
00:46:57,356 --> 00:46:59,358
taking kids to different colleges,
1060
00:46:59,441 --> 00:47:02,694
and just preparing them for college life.
1061
00:47:02,778 --> 00:47:03,987
And we have graduates now.
1062
00:47:04,071 --> 00:47:05,906
It's a beautiful thing to see.
1063
00:47:06,114 --> 00:47:07,449
I'll be honest with you.
1064
00:47:07,533 --> 00:47:09,326
I've lately grown...
1065
00:47:09,910 --> 00:47:11,370
I'm beginning to lose confidence in the Trump Administration.
1066
00:47:23,632 --> 00:47:24,466
I don't know.
1067
00:47:24,550 --> 00:47:25,509
What is...
1068
00:47:26,093 --> 00:47:27,302
What do you think of that?
1069
00:47:29,221 --> 00:47:30,764
I think it's actually...
1070
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:32,683
a great thing.
1071
00:47:33,642 --> 00:47:34,643
And here's why.
1072
00:47:34,852 --> 00:47:37,312
I think that what he's
forcing people to do
1073
00:47:37,396 --> 00:47:39,731
is have a conversation
1074
00:47:39,982 --> 00:47:43,443
and people to band together
and work together.
1075
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,155
You can't really address something
1076
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,116
that's not revealed.
1077
00:47:49,616 --> 00:47:52,452
He's bringing bringing out an ugly side
of America
1078
00:47:52,536 --> 00:47:54,663
that we wanted to believe was gone.
1079
00:47:55,330 --> 00:47:57,499
And it's still here, and we've
still got to deal with it.
1080
00:47:57,583 --> 00:47:59,501
We have to have the conversation.
1081
00:47:59,585 --> 00:48:00,836
We have to have tough conversations.
1082
00:48:00,919 --> 00:48:02,212
We have to talk about the n-word.
1083
00:48:02,296 --> 00:48:04,089
We have to talk about why
1084
00:48:04,214 --> 00:48:06,550
white men are so privileged
in this country.
1085
00:48:06,717 --> 00:48:08,719
I completely agree.
1086
00:48:09,136 --> 00:48:10,929
And I'll tell you what... I think...
1087
00:48:12,139 --> 00:48:13,891
and I've said this a thousand times.
1088
00:48:13,974 --> 00:48:16,226
We don't need any more evidence.
1089
00:48:17,019 --> 00:48:19,396
It's not like, "Did you hear
what happened today?"
1090
00:48:20,439 --> 00:48:22,941
I mean, is he a racist,
is he not a racist?
1091
00:48:23,025 --> 00:48:25,652
I'm telling you,
if you're having a debate over
1092
00:48:25,736 --> 00:48:27,112
whether a guy is a racist,
1093
00:48:27,195 --> 00:48:29,114
chances are that guy is a racist.
1094
00:48:38,415 --> 00:48:40,167
But that doesn't do any good.
1095
00:48:40,834 --> 00:48:42,377
It really doesn't do any good.
1096
00:48:43,337 --> 00:48:45,464
Case closed, no more calls,
we have a winner.
1097
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:49,009
The humanity that this country
has to represent,
1098
00:48:49,092 --> 00:48:51,803
has been
refueled by this dumbass.
1099
00:48:52,304 --> 00:48:54,556
And because I don't have
any answers for this,
1100
00:48:54,681 --> 00:48:55,515
I keep saying,
1101
00:48:55,599 --> 00:48:58,060
"I think this problem will take care
of itself."
1102
00:48:58,268 --> 00:48:59,478
I don't know what that means,
1103
00:48:59,561 --> 00:49:01,313
but I think it will take care of itself.
1104
00:49:01,813 --> 00:49:03,440
You know
1105
00:49:03,523 --> 00:49:04,566
We can't continue.
1106
00:49:04,733 --> 00:49:07,361
I think as far as physically, now
1107
00:49:07,444 --> 00:49:10,280
it takes people like you speaking out,
1108
00:49:10,364 --> 00:49:13,909
and especially all the young people
across the country
1109
00:49:13,992 --> 00:49:15,327
to say, "No, this ain't right.
1110
00:49:15,410 --> 00:49:16,787
I don't feel like this."
1111
00:49:16,870 --> 00:49:17,704
This is not...
1112
00:49:17,829 --> 00:49:19,873
I don't represent what he represents,
1113
00:49:19,957 --> 00:49:21,583
and I'm going to change that.
1114
00:49:21,667 --> 00:49:24,378
I believe that it's going
to get more people,
1115
00:49:24,461 --> 00:49:25,921
especially young people,
1116
00:49:26,922 --> 00:49:28,090
more active than ever.
1117
00:49:28,173 --> 00:49:31,176
I think we'll see record breaking
numbers next election.
1118
00:49:31,343 --> 00:49:32,928
I think we will break every record.
1119
00:49:38,850 --> 00:49:40,936
You and I have one other thing in common,
1120
00:49:41,478 --> 00:49:42,729
and...
1121
00:49:43,522 --> 00:49:46,316
I have to be cautious
how I articulate this,
1122
00:49:47,442 --> 00:49:49,111
but a few years ago...
1123
00:49:49,945 --> 00:49:52,990
I got myself into some trouble.
1124
00:49:55,242 --> 00:49:57,703
And the situation was my responsibility
1125
00:49:57,828 --> 00:49:59,162
and my fault.
1126
00:50:00,330 --> 00:50:04,251
I did something that I had
no business doing.
1127
00:50:04,626 --> 00:50:07,629
And I regret it, and since then I have
1128
00:50:07,713 --> 00:50:09,756
tried to acknowledge that mistake
1129
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,216
and be a better person.
1130
00:50:11,299 --> 00:50:13,969
You can only stop behavior
1131
00:50:14,219 --> 00:50:16,847
that was hurting people and
1132
00:50:16,930 --> 00:50:19,433
apologize for it, and try to continue
1133
00:50:19,516 --> 00:50:21,351
-to be a better person.
-That's right.
1134
00:50:22,644 --> 00:50:24,771
-At least that's all I know what to do.
-Yeah.
1135
00:50:24,855 --> 00:50:27,524
But I like to think...
1136
00:50:28,025 --> 00:50:30,736
maybe this is flattery
that I can't afford,
1137
00:50:31,445 --> 00:50:33,655
that I'm a better person.
1138
00:50:34,322 --> 00:50:35,949
-Not the person...
-Right.
1139
00:50:36,408 --> 00:50:39,244
that caused so much pain
for so many people.
1140
00:50:40,829 --> 00:50:41,663
But...
1141
00:50:42,039 --> 00:50:45,167
at the time, the pain
that I caused myself was the fear that I had
blown up my family,
1142
00:50:50,130 --> 00:50:53,842
that I was going to be in a situation
1143
00:50:53,925 --> 00:50:56,386
where I would see my son every two weeks,
1144
00:50:57,637 --> 00:50:58,972
my wife would be
1145
00:50:59,723 --> 00:51:02,768
dating Scott, the dentist from New Jersey.
1146
00:51:04,936 --> 00:51:05,812
You know Scott?
1147
00:51:11,401 --> 00:51:12,778
And I would go to therapy,
1148
00:51:12,861 --> 00:51:15,489
and I would tal to people
about this situation.
1149
00:51:16,031 --> 00:51:18,158
And they would tell me various things
1150
00:51:18,241 --> 00:51:20,035
to just get me out of the office.
1151
00:51:21,328 --> 00:51:24,372
But I never talked to a person
1152
00:51:24,456 --> 00:51:27,417
who had been in that situation.
1153
00:51:30,670 --> 00:51:31,713
And I'm wondering...
1154
00:51:32,214 --> 00:51:34,508
if this rings a bell with you?
1155
00:51:34,591 --> 00:51:38,053
-The pain of, "Have I done something...
-Of course.
1156
00:51:38,136 --> 00:51:40,263
to blow up my family?"
1157
00:51:40,430 --> 00:51:42,265
Yeah, you know for a lot of us,
1158
00:51:42,599 --> 00:51:43,725
we don't have...
1159
00:51:44,976 --> 00:51:46,561
especially where I grew up,
1160
00:51:46,645 --> 00:51:47,729
and men in general...
1161
00:51:48,355 --> 00:51:51,233
We don't have emotional
cues from when we're young.
1162
00:51:51,525 --> 00:51:55,403
Our emotional cue is,
"Be a man, stand-up. Don't cry."
1163
00:51:55,487 --> 00:51:56,571
I made a song called,
1164
00:51:56,738 --> 00:51:59,199
"I never seen a cry rolling down my eyes
1165
00:51:59,282 --> 00:52:00,617
So I gotta make the song cry."
1166
00:52:01,535 --> 00:52:06,081
You know, the idea of not
seeing it coming down my eyes,
1167
00:52:06,164 --> 00:52:07,916
"but I've got to make the song cry,"
1168
00:52:08,416 --> 00:52:09,918
is my way of saying,
1169
00:52:10,293 --> 00:52:12,671
"I want to cry. I want to be open.
1170
00:52:12,838 --> 00:52:14,464
I want to have the emotional tools
1171
00:52:14,548 --> 00:52:16,258
that it takes to keep my family together."
1172
00:52:16,716 --> 00:52:20,554
And, much like you,
I have a beautiful wife
1173
00:52:20,637 --> 00:52:22,180
who was understanding,
1174
00:52:22,305 --> 00:52:25,392
and knew that I'm not the worst
of what I've done.
1175
00:52:25,475 --> 00:52:28,395
And like you, I did the hard work
of going to therapy and,
1176
00:52:29,146 --> 00:52:30,814
you know, like really...
1177
00:52:31,148 --> 00:52:32,065
we love each other.
1178
00:52:32,149 --> 00:52:35,694
So, we really put in the work...for years.
1179
00:52:35,777 --> 00:52:37,445
This music I'm making now
1180
00:52:37,529 --> 00:52:39,823
is the result of things
that have happened already.
1181
00:52:41,533 --> 00:52:44,744
Like you, I like to believe that
we're in a better place today,
1182
00:52:44,828 --> 00:52:48,957
but still working and communicating
and growing.
1183
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:53,753
I'm proud of the father and husband
that I am today,
1184
00:52:53,837 --> 00:52:56,548
because of all the work that was done.
1185
00:52:57,549 --> 00:52:59,176
It's...hard work.
1186
00:53:02,846 --> 00:53:05,807
In saying that I don't mean, "I'm heroic."
1187
00:53:05,891 --> 00:53:06,850
Yeah.
1188
00:53:07,184 --> 00:53:08,310
But it's...
1189
00:53:09,811 --> 00:53:12,230
-as scared as I've ever been in my life.
-Yeah.
1190
00:53:12,439 --> 00:53:15,192
Not to discount the pain I caused others.
1191
00:53:16,443 --> 00:53:20,822
But I can't imagine not coming through it.
1192
00:53:21,114 --> 00:53:23,742
I can't imagine not having...
1193
00:53:24,951 --> 00:53:28,914
The end result is...
still a work in progress,
1194
00:53:28,997 --> 00:53:30,123
but I now know,
1195
00:53:31,833 --> 00:53:33,126
I'm a different person,
1196
00:53:33,210 --> 00:53:34,628
and I'm not going to...
1197
00:53:36,046 --> 00:53:37,839
My worst fear is not coming to pass.
1198
00:53:45,055 --> 00:53:46,097
That's real.
1199
00:53:49,434 --> 00:53:51,686
So, you're like Frank Sinatra?
1200
00:53:51,937 --> 00:53:53,396
You're going to be doing this
1201
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,691
till when you're 70, 80 making music?
1202
00:53:57,734 --> 00:53:59,611
I didn't think so, but I may be.
1203
00:54:01,238 --> 00:54:02,530
Long as I have the truth.
1204
00:54:02,614 --> 00:54:05,492
As long as I have truth to say
and information to give.
1205
00:54:06,117 --> 00:54:07,702
Like, that conversation right now.
1206
00:54:08,745 --> 00:54:11,873
Things that you lived through
to share it with others.
1207
00:54:12,540 --> 00:54:13,917
And it's difficult,
1208
00:54:14,292 --> 00:54:16,002
but you have information
that when you share,
1209
00:54:16,127 --> 00:54:17,963
someone at home is like,
1210
00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:20,257
"I was thinking about giving up.
1211
00:54:20,632 --> 00:54:23,927
Let me let me stick with this and come
through the other side.
1212
00:54:24,010 --> 00:54:24,886
I see how that looks.
1213
00:54:24,970 --> 00:54:26,012
I know what that looks like."
1214
00:54:26,137 --> 00:54:28,223
All we've seen were people fleeing.
1215
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:30,725
My dad left when I was 11,
my uncle left.
1216
00:54:30,809 --> 00:54:32,769
We've just seen people give up.
1217
00:54:32,978 --> 00:54:34,562
The divorce rate is 50%.
1218
00:54:34,646 --> 00:54:36,064
We never see people like, "Okay...
1219
00:54:37,315 --> 00:54:38,650
Let's work through this.
1220
00:54:38,733 --> 00:54:40,277
I love you. I love my family.
1221
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:41,528
Let's work through this."
1222
00:54:41,611 --> 00:54:44,990
So, back to the point,
is the next iteration
1223
00:54:45,073 --> 00:54:46,283
of whatever I'm saying.
1224
00:54:46,366 --> 00:54:47,492
It's going to be...
1225
00:54:48,410 --> 00:54:50,287
another challenge, which is great.
1226
00:54:50,370 --> 00:54:51,329
I love you.
1227
00:54:51,413 --> 00:54:53,248
Thank you, man.
1228
00:57:00,625 --> 00:57:01,459
That was great.
1229
00:57:01,543 --> 00:57:02,544
I have a question. That was beautiful.
1230
00:57:04,212 --> 00:57:07,799
Did you originally write that as a duet
with a female voice?
1231
00:57:08,425 --> 00:57:10,093
No. I just wrote it on my own,
1232
00:57:10,176 --> 00:57:12,011
but when she got here yesterday,
1233
00:57:12,095 --> 00:57:13,346
and we were working on the song,
1234
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:16,558
I thought this would be incredible
as a duet.
1235
00:57:16,808 --> 00:57:18,017
It was tremendous.
1236
00:57:18,101 --> 00:57:18,935
That was great.
1237
00:57:19,018 --> 00:57:20,311
Nice going everybody.
1238
00:57:20,603 --> 00:57:21,938
-That was cool. Thank you.
-Thanks.
1239
00:57:22,689 --> 00:57:24,065
I'll be in here if you need anything.
1240
00:57:26,109 --> 00:57:28,862
Ladies and gentlemen,
please welcome my next guest,
1241
00:57:29,195 --> 00:57:30,321
Tina Fey.
1242
00:57:32,699 --> 00:57:34,617
It's not too common a name.
1243
00:57:34,701 --> 00:57:36,661
It is to sort of like a prostitute name.
1244
00:57:37,370 --> 00:57:40,206
If you ever see a character
named Tina in a movie,
1245
00:57:40,290 --> 00:57:41,666
it won't be a heart surgeon.
1246
00:57:42,041 --> 00:57:43,168
COMING IN MAY